Meltdown & Spectre Updates Benchmarked, Big Slow Down for SSDs!

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  1. I plan to test online multiplayer games next! It will be a challenge but I want to see what the impact there might be, give it’s a much heavier I/O load. Also yes, I will look into AMD CPUs soon… all in good time 😀

    Ohh and I’ll also investigate the impact the upcoming Nvidia driver will have as well. Busy times!

  2. So I'm not 100% on this, but how does this affect Intel's new Optane drives? Do they get impacted similar to the NVMe? Does it matter whether you have an AIC SSD or M.2? Sorry, just trying to see if/how this will affect me.

  3. The vulnerabilities were deliberately left there. Amd and Intel both knew about the vulnerablities but were clearly working with the NSA. In any case my PC got fucked by meltdown or the windows patch.

  4. Do you guys understand how bad this is. Let me explain.
    suppose 8th Gen i5 get 100fps without patch.
    then it get 90 fps with patch or 80 with future patch.
    so we lose 20%
    but the 9gen will be slight better and perform as always like 20-25%. so with the 9th gen cpu we might get 110 or 115 fps.
    it may looks like we got huge bump from 90 fps to 115 fps but we are not. this is actually good for intel in a way and we gamers are screwed unless we get a good AMD cpu or a decent 9th gen.

  5. I can confirm that there is indeed a rather large impact on overall system performance after the big patch fest happens. Windows 10 took it upon itself to reenable updates and patched the system I use for my POS setup in my store. Well I booted it into windows this morning and noticed straight away something was not right. The system was slow and very sluggish and my online POS software barely opened and my Debit pad would not work ok it did after 7 attempts but this should not be happening.

    I go and check my updates and bam there it is the dreaded patch og and it is not just one patch there are others inside most likely to take care of everything these exploits do. So I set my active hours to 1 hour before store opening and 2 hours after closing so updates will no longer do the updates during the day and I also turn the system off at night. Anyways I found the update and uninstalled it and 2 others that were installed on the 9th of jan I restarted and it did it's thing.

    After rebooting and back to desktop everything was as it was before the system was very snappy again and I also should note memory usage was back to normal at 1.1GB ram used and not the 2.5GB it was on the last boot with the patch The system only has 4GB installed so that high of usage was a bit troubling as well. Like I said the patch removal gave me back my system speed and ram. It is gone and it will be gone or removed every time it installs itself at least until they figure ways to not have us the end user losing performance like this. I should not this system is on a [email protected] stock speed so yes the cpu is old but it is still more than enough to run a business system and if a patch takes that much steam out of a quad core I hate to think what it does to dual cores systems. I will be looking into ways of totally getting rid of windows update on that system. I will just use a good security software to keep things in check.

  6. If you have an older pre-Skylake system running the Windows 7 or 8 you will surely notice some system speed impacts. Furthermore, if the said machine is used for any server duties and/or IO-intensive application it will feel even worse.

  7. Recent articles in the media have raised awareness around the processor security vulnerabilities named Meltdown and Spectre. These vulnerabilities are particularly troubling as they are not due to a bug in a particular processor implementation, but are a consequence of the widespread technique of speculative execution. Many generations of processors with different ISAs and from several different manufacturers are susceptible to the attacks, which exploit the fact that instructions speculatively executed on incorrectly predicted code paths can leave observable changes in micro-architectural state even though the instructions' architectural state changes will be undone once the branch prediction is found incorrect. No announced RISC-V silicon is susceptible, and the popular open-source RISC-V Rocket processor is unaffected as it does not perform memory accesses speculatively.

    While these two vulnerabilities are independent of the ISA, they are just the most recent examples to showcase how the devices we use and trust every day are subject to a barrage of attacks from sophisticated adversaries. Each new attack causes architects to scramble to develop hardware and software mitigation techniques, but fixes are considerably more difficult to develop and verify when dealing with legacy architectures that come from a time before security was a zeroth-order concern. As we power up more intelligence everywhere, we need to develop new robust security approaches instead of just papering over the cracks in existing designs.

    The RISC-V community has an historic opportunity to "do security right" from the get-go with the benefit of up-to-date knowledge. In particular, the open RISC-V ISA makes it possible for many different groups to experiment with alternative mitigation techniques and share results. The RISC-V Foundation was formed with an open and inclusive governance model to allow for contributions from leading experts across academia and industry. Witness how the processor security research community (DARPA SSITH RISC-V-based program) is standardizing around RISC-V because it is simple and open.

    Together, we are unleashing a new innovation frontier by developing the extensible RISC-V ISA available for all to use in various micro-architectural incarnations across all forms of computing devices.

  8. will there be future updates from Microsoft which will affect the performance more than this?

  9. Such an awesome channel! Thanks for the run down, your findings do seem to correlate with what Guru3d found. Though like you said only time will really tell. Things will either get better, or a lot worse.

  10. Can i just opt not to update the windows patch(save the performance)and just use a updated browser and antivirus?

  11. Intel is number one for gaming PC and always will be, Thank you all !!

  12. people that won't realize is that all these security issues has to do with NSA secret government agencies that work together with Microsoft and bringing every year new futures updates for their spying surveillance program, what do you think we are stupid and update will slow down computer or does the NSA spying program getting new futures and making computer slower!

    Don't believe in that Microsoft security bulsshit that everybody needs to install security updates.

    When they finished their NSA program they need bring out rolling huge update on firmware level on smartphones and desktop pc's
    So these security holes are made by intel or AMD self or Microsoft for pushing people to update newer system.

    15 years a go, you buy computer and it was still fast and secure now it wil not last one or two year you need to install updates, you can not anymore disable automatic updates on smartphones and Windows.

    all computer experts know whats going on the last 8 years with computers and NSA program,

    -You have not freedom or privacy anymore
    -everything is automatic updates you can not disable anymore like Windows 10 or smartphones
    -every smartphone have not removable battery anymore!
    -every year they creating new sensors for getting your biological data like finger print scanner or face mapping next thing they gonna catch is your DNA with sugar insuline meter something like that.
    -all smart tv''s has secret camera on the pane on the bottom, manufacturers won't tell you that.
    -that light sensors on front of your smartphones that turns your screen on off are actually camera!
    -every component or device like dvd player or display or video card has built in transceivers that sends data with radio signals

    You won't here one of these from manufacturers that opens the mouth, but edward snowden did tell the truth and thats why terrorist united States want kill these nobel men!

    Android phones getting the last year every two three month firmware update but they don't tell the changes every time the same thing, improvement speed, and securty issues bla bla

  13. Even if it's just a small performance hit, I'm still disappointed by any loss of performance. We are supposed to be moving forward not backwards. Thanks for the benchmarks!

  14. I was going to get the i5 8600k. Since this happened, should I just get the R7 1700 instead? I'll be playing mostly xplane and other triple A titles and my card is a 1070 ti.

  15. My Ryzen rig did an update last night that pretty much knocked out some of the Asus utilities for my mother board and video card. I'm not sure if the update that it did has something to do with these fixes or not however.

  16. How about older CPU´s with less performance headroom ?
    Core 2 Quad + 1. gen. i5 & i7 + G4560 !?

  17. Make a benchmark for a game called arma3 as it is a game that mainly uses the cpu

  18. Microsoft's patch also caused 3-year-old Intel® Pentium® Processor G3258 to bluescreen, just like the AMD processors.

    Was working on a Windows 7 PC that was rebooting after 2 minutes of uptime, that had this processor and it had received this update. So went back to a system restore and installed the updates that were applied one by one and discovered this patch KB4056894 was causing the problem.

    So it is not just AMD processors!!!

  19. Thank you very much for the video Steve, I hope you can do some sandy Bridge, haswell cpus soon, maybe updating it manually

  20. Its just the net neutrality bug to help the tech companies get customers to upgrade to $400 ram kit systems

  21. hey Steve ,any chance this affects game servers ,a game i play has been
    exceptionally bad with teleports and a lot of lagging since they rolled out the patch ,
    it gets ddossed often but it is worse than ever since the patch

  22. Is it worth waiting to update until a better patch comes along that may correct some storage performance?

  23. And Intel still has the nerve to charge the exorbitant prices for the 8th gen CPUs and Z370?!

  24. If you think about it, seeing how Intel teamed up with AMD to put AMD graphics in Intel's chips….. the timing seems kinda fishy.

  25. Thanks for all your hard work and trying all these tests to see how actual pc systems and what programs are affected.

  26. Here's hoping they give updates to older boards. I really like my x79…

  27. It's not really a flaw because speculative prediction speeds up the processor, it's just an oversight in terms of security. Or more likely a risk that was taken.

  28. are this slowdown also effected on linux machines or only Windows?

  29. My pc after bios update acts weird and slow.mouse lags windows lags and delay open apps.!!!Asus z170-a i5-6500k.
    3 times windows 10 setup and the same unresponsiveness!well done intel!

  30. No slowdown at all with my 960 evo. Same crystal mark benchmarks as when I bough the machine. I call bullshit, or your board didn't get a bios update.

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